Thursday, June 14, 2012

Pricing Changes

Updated 2012-11-13: Updated info based on schedule change described here
Update: Added info about license period, OS platforms and SQLite.
With the pricing changes announced at Real World, we've been getting a lot of questions from folks as to how this will affect them. Here are some clarifications: Starting with Real Studio 2013 Release 1, the IDE itself will be free to use for developing, testing and debugging on any platform. To be able to create stand-alone builds of your apps (deploy), you buy a license. These are the available licenses and prices:

New Real Studio Pricing
License New Purchase Renewal
IDE FREE FREE
Desktop Deployment $300 $150
Web Deployment $400 $200
Console Deployment $100 $50
DB Servers $300 $150
Note: You can build for OS X, Windows and Linux for any license type. SQLite usage (RealSQLDatabase) does not require a DB Server license.

A new purchase or renewal gives you access to all updates for the next 12 months. As usual, you can continue to use versions that were released during your license period even after your license has expired.

Speaking of licenses, anyone who has or had a modern Real Studio license (2005 - present) will have their license automatically converted as follows:

Personal => Desktop
Professional => Desktop + Console + DB
Web => Web + DB
Enterprise => Desktop + Web + Console + DB

If your license is current when 2013 R1 ships, you will be able to deploy with it immediately. If your license is expired, you can use the IDE for free, however you will not be able to deploy with it until you renew. Of course, you can continue to use any prior version of Real Studio as you always have. And as a prior license holder, you can choose to renew any of the converted licenses at the new renewal pricing.

Keep in mind that because all IDE features are available to everyone, this also means that after license conversion, Personal users will be able to use ContainerControls, class encryption, ServerSocket, SSLSocket (and its subclasses), Remote Debugging, Auto Discovery, Profiling, IDE Scripting and Build Automation. In addition, your new Desktop license will also allow you to deploy for Mac, Windows and Linux. Professional users will be able to use Profiling, IDE Scripting and Build Automation.

For some of you these changes will result in a price decrease, for others it will result in a price increase. To help mitigate any price increases, you can renew your current license for up to two years at the current pricing any time before 2013 R1 ships.

New licenses can be used on up to two computers at one time. We feel this is sufficient because the IDE itself is now free and can be used anywhere for development and testing without a license. With that said, your license is not "locked" to two computers. You can move it around computers as you wish, but it will only be active on two computers at a time. If you have further questions about these changes you can email Customer Service: custserv@realsoftware.com.

49 comments:

David Glass said...

"When you want to create a stand-alone build of your apps (deploy), you buy a license."

This makes it sound like one must buy a license every time an application is built, which is not the case.

Jon Ogden said...

No. You have to have a license to build apps. Period. There is no per app license, etc. It's very simple. Standalone requires a license to build. You can then have as many standalone apps built as your heart desires.

David Glass said...

I understand that.

The phrasing in the post, however, could be read to mean that each time one wants to build, a license must be purchased/renewed.

"If you want to build", rather than "When you want to build", might have been more clear.

Paul Lefebvre said...

I've changed the phrasing of that sentence to be clearer (hopefully).

LVWolfman said...

Cool! I used to maintain two Professional licenses so I could develop natively on Mac and Windows (the remote thing never really felt right)... when I wanted the web deployment capability so upgraded to the $1,000 one with the $500 a year renewal. After not being happy enough with the results of the web part, I let my subscription lapse. So now it looks like my yearly cost will drop to $150 a year. Yay! When I can I sign up again? Hehe

wradgio said...

Does it mean, that I will not be able to build applications after my licence expires? Now, I can still build it, with older version, but I can. I'm paying for version. Will this option dissapear with new pricing? Will I be unable to build application after my licence expires? Or I will be able to build, but only with older version of RB IDE "deployer" that I had payed for?
In other words - in past, we payed for product. Will new pricing change it into pricing for service?

Alyssa said...

@wradgio, That aspect doesn't change. You can continue to build with any releases released before your expiration date.

Mathias said...

Well, for me it's super, it will be cheaper than I imagined.

When is 2012 R2 going to ship?

And is there something changed about the update cyclus? I tauht it was 90 days. But there isn't even a 2012R1?

Alyssa said...

2012r1 is scheduled to ship in August. Though it won't have the new IDE, this forum post explains the delay http://forums.realsoftware.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=43260

Unknown said...

For me the simplicity of the new scheme is a BIG plus. I also like to be able to develop on a number of machines without having to move my licenses around.

DMW said...

First of all, good luck with the new model. Hopefully new users will find their way to RS easier then in the past.

Initially I didn't like the price model. Mainly because of the new DB license. However, the more I have thought of it the more I find it acceptable.

Looking forward to take part of all whistles & bells!

Kind regards,
Dennis

Alex Flinsch said...

Is there still an Academic pricing schedule?

Alyssa said...

@Alex, We will be discontinuing Academic pricing since the IDE will be free on all platforms.

Phil said...

Will the desktop version of build for Linux, mac and windows?

Alyssa said...

@Phil, The Desktop license will allow you to build ON and compile FOR Mac, Linux and Windows.

wradgio said...

@Alyssa, thanks for answer, that's great :). I see it like I will renew my licence this year :).

Adrian said...

I am a 'hobbyist' programmer (ex-professional now retired) who has written a few applications for my own use and to 'deploy' as FREEware via my web-site. They are all Desktop apps for Windows, and I have a Personal license that more than covers my needs.

My reading of the changes is that my license renewal for one year will increase from the current 39euro to about 119euro.

It looks as though when my current 24 month license runs out I will stick with the last version I have in hand.

A sad day (for me).

Shane74340Plus said...

So, if I buy a personal license at this moment, when the license conversion takes place, I'll be able to publish to Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows?

I'm gonna hop on board if this is the way I'm reading.

Geoff Perlman said...

@ Shane74340Plus - That's correct.

Sergio Tallone said...

I apologize but I could not figure out how much it will cost to renew the professional license.

Cho Sing Kum said...

Presently, I have Personal for both Windows and OS X. This allows me to RUN and COMPILE on both Windows and OS X.

One point I do not find clarified or made clear anywhere is whether the new Desktop license is platform specific like the Professional now. Or one Desktop license allows me to RUN and COMPILE on both Windows and OS X.

I want to RUN and COMPILE on both Windows and OS X. Do I need just one Desktop license or need two, one for each platform?

Cho Sing Kum said...

In case I am misunderstood...,

I am fully aware that the current Professional license is platform specific but can compile for Windows, OS X and Linux.

I am fully aware that the new Desktop license can also compile for the 3 target OSes. But is it platform specific like the Professional?

I do note that the new IDE, although free, has to be platform specific.

Dana B. said...

It is not platform specific - you will be able to develop and deploy on all three platforms with 1 license.

fhuvu said...

What if you want to compile for windows mac and linux web? Do you have to buy two licenses?

Paul Lefebvre said...

@fhuvu: Each license can build for all platforms. So a single web license builds for OS X, Windows and Linux.

Paul Lefebvre said...

@Cho Sing Kum: The IDE is free and can be used on any OS platform without a license. The licenses are for compiling/deploying and are not platform-specific.

Cho Sing Kum said...

@Paul Lefebvre and @Dana B: Thanks for the replies. I think I get it but still have that "little bit of not sure" feeling.

1) I want to compile ON a Mac for the Mac.

2) I want to compile ON Windows for Windows.

Just to be sure that I understand you correctly, do I need only 1 Desktop license and I can do (1) and (2)?

I want to avoid the terms "deploy" or "deploying" since this is not very clear and specific. I know I can deploy for the Mac on a Windows and I can also deploy for a Windows on a Mac... but this is not what I need to know going forward.

Thanks.

Geoff Perlman said...

@ Cho Sing Kum - Technically, yes because our license agreement allows you to install your license on 2 computers provided that YOU are the sole user of those licenses.

Cho Sing Kum said...

@Geoff Perlman: Thanks for the confirmation.

I am aware of the max 2 computers per license limit. Presently, I am using 2 Mac mini bootcamp as follows:

Mac mini A: OSX 10.7.4 & Win7 x86
Default OS - Win7 x86. Personal license Windows installed.

Mac mini B: OSX 10.7.4 & Win7 x64
Default OS - OSX 10.7.4. Personal license Mac installed.

I am alright at the present, but going forward, I do not have any slack to play with unless I am prepared to up my cost.

Ever since a VB refugee, I am still playing around with Real Studio and PureBasic after dropping PowerBASIC due to non cross-platform reason. I am also toying with Objective-C (for the additional benefit of iOS) and VS2012 (for Windows 8 Metro).

Everything is still very fluid due to so many reasons.

Thanks everyone for all your answers.

P.Ebbert said...

I currently have a Mac Professional License and a Windows Professional License. Since I will now be able to develop on both with one license, will my remaining time for both licenses be added together for my new license?

Geoff Perlman said...

@ P.Ebbert - Please contact customer service once the new pricing takes effect in October. I'm sure we can accommodate you.

John DeHope said...

Two questions.

First. What does the DB license buy you? What SQLite3 stuff can you do in a deployed application without it? Maybe my lack of RealBasic background makes this a dumb question. I get what it means to deploy to a desktop as opposed to deploying to a console or to the web. But I don't see how "database" fits into that picture.

Second. Are the licenses cumulative at all? If I buy a web deployment license, can I also deploy to the desktop too? Or is each one stand-alone, and if you want the features of all of them, it's a $1000+ price tag?

Thanks!

Geoff Perlman said...

@ John - The licenses are not cumulative. The Database license is for accessing database servers. You don't' need that license to use REALSQLDatabase (SQLite).

Marc van Buel said...

Best point: the free ide hopefully makes rb-language more used. In my country there most developpers don't know rb-language. I like to have more rb-friend locally.


Question:
Do I need a database licence for using the MySQLcommunity server or is the plugin still working?

Alyssa said...

@Marc, Glad you are pleased with the upcoming free IDE! Yes, you will need the Database license to acces any databases other than RealSQL

tigme said...

I'm using two licenses for myself: 1xProfessional and 1xWeb is there a way for me to combine the two licenses without having to purchase a new license or upgrade one of the two? The pro license is due to expire in 60 days and web license is due for renewal in 90 days. According to the new scheme the two licenses will upgraded into Pro = Desktop+DB+Console and the Web into Web+DB meaning I will have to have 2 licenses for DB. According to the 2 licenses I should actually only have one which currently should should be Enterprise but it is not. Can you please clarify what is going to happen in my case? Thanks

Geoff Perlman said...

@ Tigme - renew your licenses now so you get the current pricing. When the new licensing system starts in October, contact Customer Service and they can give you credit for the extra DB license by extending your existing licenses.

Derrick said...

I Have a Professional License which has expired, do I now have to buy a license for Desktop & one for Web as enterprise is now gone?

Alyssa said...

@Derrick, Whether expired or not, with 2012r2 your Pro license will become a Desktop, Console & DB licenses. If you want Web, not or after the change, you will need to purchase a Web license. If you have more questions feel free to email Customer Service at custserv@realsoftware.com

Gavin said...

Just wondering if there is any comment yet on how much the iOS deployment license might cost? I'm assuming it's similar pricing to the Desktop or Web components - would that be fair? Attempting to do a little business budgeting here!

Geoff Perlman said...

@ Gavin - We haven't finalized that pricing but I would expect it to be similar to our Desktop and Web pricing.

Gavin said...

Sounds good.

Niles Mitchell said...

Many Real desktop developers currently use Corona for their iOS needs, and are looking forward to ditching it when Real adds iOS support. Corona costs $199 a year. I would hope that Real's iOS doesn't exceed that price, or combined with Desktop doesn't exceed $500, other wise there is little incentive to leave Corona.

montix said...

Hi!
When is it available the IDE 2013 to download?
By now i only can download the demo 2012 version...
Thanks!

montix said...

Hi!
When is it available the IDE 2013 to download?
By now i only can download the demo 2012 version...
Thanks!

bobt said...

I currently have a personal license that expires in May 2014. If I renew now for two years, will my license expire in May 2016 or will it expire two years from the date that I renew it?

Katherine said...

When you renew a license with a current update plan your new update plan will run from your current plan's expiration date. If you have specific questions about your license please feel free to email me at custserv@realsoftware.com and I will be happy to help you!

Gary Harris said...

Quick Question: I want to make sure I understand this correctly. I currently have an Enterprise license. When that license expires, I can still continue to compile and deploy apps. Under the new licensing model, when my license expires, I can no longer compile and deploy apps. Is that correct? If so, I really do not like the new model. You are forcing people to renew each and every year on or before the license expires. I may have to re-think staying with RB. And personally, I don't like the new name.

Gary

Alyssa said...

@ Gary Harris, No that is not correct, that aspect will not change. You can continue to use your xojo key with releases from before your expiration date just as you can with Real Studio.