Comments on Real Software: REALbasic/REAL Studio 2009 Release 4 Now Shipping

Apparently the issue is only with XP. It works wit...

2009-10-07T11:28:25.327-05:00

Apparently the issue is only with XP. It works with Windows Vista for example. However, we are looking into it to see what we can do for the next release.

Despite what the Release Notes say, TextField ali...

2009-10-07T11:23:18.923-05:00

Despite what the Release Notes say,

TextField alignment still does not work on Windows XP.

:(

4.1?

2009-10-03T11:33:18.306-05:00

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Cocoa, I cant hear it anymore... as programmer I k...

2009-10-02T01:01:42.075-05:00

Cocoa, I cant hear it anymore... as programmer I know how things might get more complex than expected... so I keep patience and thing, it will be done when its done....

Right now I am in struggle with your great report function. On the first view its great, on my 1st day with 2009r4 I've build a small reportviewer for my apps based on your sample scripts, information from your manual and community feedbacks BUT...

the more I am dealing with the report class, the more I see that this is still Beta and never should be released in a productional Realbasic. I just say: Footer, multiline-word-wrapped strings and the lack of objects to manipulate objects before and after rendering.

I better wait a little bit more and have a better and stable realbasic, than any kind of green beta bananaware a la microsoft

just my 5 (Euro)cents...

Although the scheduled delivery of Cocoa support h...

2009-09-30T15:46:55.374-05:00

Although the scheduled delivery of Cocoa support has slipped, which is disappointing, I very much appreciate Geoff choosing to share their intentions of providing it and keeping us informed as they make progress. It does in fact appear to be a huge project. Professional developers know that even with smaller projects it can be difficult to predict the effort involved, external influences, and elapsed time to delivery. So in this case it's no surprise that it will be delivered later than expected. Better late and done right than rushed to meet expectations.

Thank you Geoff for the transparency on your Cocoa effort! I hope you continue this trend of sharing with us your new feature intentions and progress while developing them.

Anonymous said: Less than four month ago this ...

2009-09-30T14:17:05.479-05:00
Anonymous said:

Less than four month ago this very blog told us we would have Cocoa by now.

Anonymous cites this:

We are making terrific progress. It was slow going at first but we able to move faster now that we have laid the groundwork. At this point, we should be feature complete by the end of the summer and shipping some time this fall.

I just checked the calendar. Autumn began about a week and a half ago. Geoff's post said that REAL "should be ... shipping some time this fall". Now maybe I'm not understanding Geoff properly here, but "some time this fall" does not mean "before fall gets here"; it means "before the end of fall" which would be around December 21. Granted, that date could slip too, because not every big software project that "should" be finished by such-and-such a date is finished on that date, but that quote is pretty thin evidence that "REAL was just blowing smoke ... again."

Charles- Care to elaborate on how Apple has blown...

2009-09-30T12:28:37.758-05:00
Charles-

Care to elaborate on how Apple has blown Real's Cocoa schedule?

Please don't point at the transition to Intel... Apple announced that six months before Real announced their Cocoa plans.

Surely Snow Leopard didn't throw a wrench in the plans announced back in 2006.

Has Apple been cranking out too many great iPods, thus distracting the dev team?

Geoff is not "blowing smoke". Not onl...

2009-09-30T11:37:04.480-05:00
Geoff is not "blowing smoke". Not only is the Cocoa implementation a big job, the schedule has been blown more than once by forces beyond the control of RS (i.e. Apple).

> However, as we make progress our ability >...

2009-09-30T11:08:56.409-05:00
> However, as we make progress our ability
> to predict delivery gets easier.

And yet, that's the opposite of your actions.

Jan 2006: "Support for Cocoa ... will ship later this year."
Sep 2009: "we will take as long as is necessary"

Three (almost four) years ago Real's Cocoa announcement dripped with false certainty. As recently as June, Geoff was telling people Cocoa would be shipping "this fall".

In contrast, the most recent blog post about Cocoa is full of uncertainty and sets no expectation of a ship date.

Shouldn't it be the other way around?

When we give an update on something we are working...

2009-09-30T10:32:51.431-05:00
When we give an update on something we are working on, we are not trying to mislead anyone. Quite the contrary. But the Cocoa project is a HUGE project and everyone knows that the bigger a project is, the more difficult it is to project cost, delivery date, etc. However, as we make progress (and the remaining parts of the project get smaller) our ability to predict delivery gets easier.

Believe me when I say that if we knew for sure at the beginning of the development process exactly when we would be done with Cocoa, we would just say that. Again, we are not trying to mislead anyone. That would benefit no one.

The other choice for us is to simply say nothing but we know that users want updates on important issues such as this one.

@Aitch... Less than four month ago this very blog...

2009-09-30T08:52:39.118-05:00
@Aitch...

Less than four month ago this very blog told us we would have Cocoa by now.

Here's the link the Geoff's previous post on the topic. And here's a quote from that blog entry:

We are making terrific progress. It was slow going at first but we able to move faster now that we have laid the groundwork. At this point, we should be feature complete by the end of the summer and shipping some time this fall.

I guess Real was just blowing smoke... again.

Well, I'm a little disappointed that Cocoa isn...

2009-09-29T19:53:21.666-05:00
Well, I'm a little disappointed that Cocoa isn't here too, but I believe that we were in fact told months ago that REAL would take as long as it took to get Cocoa right.

It would be nice to have an update on Cocoa and th...

2009-09-29T13:18:24.378-05:00
It would be nice to have an update on Cocoa and the SQLite version.
Any more news on either?

Hmmmm... it's almost October and no sign of Co...

2009-09-29T12:41:44.422-05:00
Hmmmm... it's almost October and no sign of Cocoa.

This very blog told us that Cocoa would be "shipping some time this fall." It also suggested that Cocoa release had slipped by "one quarter" from the end of Q2 2009 to the end of Q3 2009.

Q3 2009 ends tomorrow and Cocoa support in Rb is nowhere to be found.

I guess this is yet another in the long line of "Cocoa Fables" told to us by Real, starting with this one...

"Jan 9, 2006: Support for Cocoa ... will ship later this year"
http://www.realsoftware.com/company/news/2006/cocoa

IF Cocoa ships in December 2009 it will only be three years late.

So... don't even bother trying to explain the schedule for Cocoa at this point... we no longer believe you.